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The Deflation of a Nation

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1776 - Declaration of Independence
Both sides of my family had made it to the New World 100-150 years before this.

In the period from 1776 to 1861, from the declaration of our independence to the beginning of our civil war, we were involved with the consolidation of our inter-State cooperation and definition of the Union (through 1787 - Constitutional Convention), expanding westward (through 1848 - California), and fighting wars to defend and gain territory (through 1860 - War of 1812, Black Hawk War, Mexican-American War).

Then we fought each other.
My grandfather's grandfather had recently moved into my home State.

The Civil War happened 85 years after the Declaration of Independence. The United States of America wasn't a unified country until after the civil war. The unified States of America, before 1861, considered themselves to be a Union, in some ways similar to the European Union. Many States, or countries, unified. After the Civil War, the United States went from being a unified group of States to being a single State with many parts.

During the 52 years after the Civil War, we fought the Native Americans, Spain, and the Philippines; connected our coasts with the trans-continental railroad; began using motorized transportation, energy grids, artificial lighing, indoor plumbing; and built an industrial base that quickly became world-class. We had our own reserves of fuel for all of these endeavors and our skill in building machinery ensured that we were able to fuel our human resources as well.
My mother's family had moved into my home State by the end of this period.

We were able to win all the wars we won, because we live here. We were better equipped than the Native Americans and everyone else had to travel to fight us. It is still a long, long trip for an army.

Then we had WWI...ten years of good times...the Great Depression (during which, my father was born.), WWII (after which my mother was born), the birth of the Boomers, and the beginning of the Cold War.

The Cold War was a time of extreme growth and innovation, culminating in the technologically advanced world that we have today, but during which we saw multiple wars and had the constant looming cloud of nuclear war shadowing us in even the best of times, and the inherent dangers of our growing dominance began to rattle the nerves of our populace.
I was born during the Watergate period.

The Cold War finally ended and the World felt relief...the cloud had passed. There were murmurs that the public seemed to not notice about the next threat that we would surely face...terrorism, but it hadn't hit home yet. Many of the other troubles we face now had been on the radar, problems with: the climate, food, water, money, infrastructure, balance of world power, balance of internal power, population, populations--all of these had been mentioned years before we had to pay attention.

Instead we, the people, basked in the full sunshine and felt that we deserved it...our time in the sun. We smiled broadly and consolidated wealth and became selfish and uninterested in the rest of the world, we were looking in the mirror at the face of victory. Ten more years of good times.

After this, we got the wrong man for the job. More wrong than most. We were attacked. The climate data became undeniable. We began to move the mirror from in front of our face...because the President's face was one of the ones looking back at us...and now see, again, that the world around us is engaged, and we can't be disengaged and still be a part of it...and we certainly can't be predominant without engagement.
My daughter is 16 months old.

We've had eight years of deflation, which is a long time in our short history. My grandfather told me a story that his grandfather told him about the Civil War. That story, so little removed in time from my experience, took place at a point nearly two-thirds of the way back to the founding of our country.

We are fully able to overcome the obstacles we face as a nation in this world. We've done it before. After a good long look at ourselves, we're realizing that we have to be more open and more forgiving and more tolerant. We thought we were already good at those things, but the stakes are always high whether we are paying attention or not. We have to continually strive to practice what The Constitution preaches because we will never fully achieve that goal and any time we relax our efforts, we will always slide backwards.

We should be comforted some...by the fact that the people of our country are more awake now. The younger generations are more engaged than ever. We know that it isn't going to be easy and we know that we have to take the lead as a country with the power that we have. We have to understand that we can only do this by working together. Our partisan political system seems to inflate and bristle when the country deflates like this, but we have to willfully restore some balance and willfully engage in constructive compromise.

Our country has only extremely recently enjoyed being solely predominant in the world. Our country should act as a steward while in this position in the world, the same way that the President is supposed to be a steward of our country while in his position. We should remember that we are not used to being on top, and maybe we shouldn't get used to it. We're good at being underdogs, at striving for impossible perfection. We have always fallen short, we always will, but we can only progress by reaching for the goals that we set only so long ago.

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{"commentId":1840532,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

I am aware of the implications of many of the events mentioned, but the point of this is not to pass judgment on our history, but to highlight its brevity. To reinforce the fact that we are still at the beginning of it. I use my family (since this is something I know first-hand) as a parallel history that extends beyond that of our country, which was truly born after the Civil War. We have had a tumultuous past, and have only recently enjoyed a general level of internal stability as a nation. We have overcome great obstacles and have become more strong because of them. We have to be ready to work and make sacrifices, and view ourselves no differently than we view the pioneers of our history. We can not see ourselves as standing on the shoulders of our forefathers so that we can reach new heights. We are instead using them as a foundation on which we can have good footing. We stand on them and use their strength so that our children can stand on our shoulders as well.

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  • 18 votes
Reply#1 - Sun May 25, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":2685313,"authorDomain":"measuringhistory"}

You recently requested to become my friend. I did not know you, but I accepted your invitation. I am so glad we found each other.

Your article is very moving, very well written and an inspiriation I certainly will share with others. But more than being moving, you offer solutions and ways to move forward. I look forward to your follow up.

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  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":7589454,"authorDomain":"jaandersen"}

deek says:

You recently requested to become my friend. I did not know you, but I accepted your invitation. I am so glad we found each other.

I thank you for the invitation also and I look forward to reading more.

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  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1841117,"authorDomain":"1stcontact"}
We should be comforted some...by the fact that the people of our country are more awake now. The younger generations are more engaged than ever. We know that it isn't going to be easy and we know that we have to take the lead as a country with the power that we have. We have to understand that we can only do this by working together. Our partisan political system seems to inflate and bristle when the country deflates like this, but we have to willfully restore some balance and willfully engage in constructive compromise.

Excellent article... my father alway told me to take the long view of history. This article reflects that wisdom.

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  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Mon May 26, 2008 6:54 AM EDT
{"commentId":1847668,"authorDomain":"SVForbes"}
Excellent article... my father alway told me to take the long view of history.

IMO, the long view provides the most accurate perspective.

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  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Wed May 28, 2008 10:09 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1842284,"authorDomain":"ntq"}

By far, one of the most immaculate presentations on the history of US, all in less than 100 lines. So much to read on and so much to learn from. That unique innitiative - I mean the family timeline - makes the whole process a lot easier to follow by foreign readers, particularly those who are novice with the ups & downs and the twists & turns of your civilization and blood-line. Now as with the content, I wish to add one thing to your constructive remarks.

The main difference between Americans and the majority of other nations (particularly, those of the developing world) is that you lot are inherently inclined towards navigating your way out by relying on your own compass and insight rather than submitting blindly to the routines and practices of the outside. A great advantage I just can't get into the minds of my own people, no matter how hard I try. This is the most superior characteristic that has, for decades long, kept your proud ancestors unfaltered and steadfast despite all the bends and the hard times. Your article has clearly pointed it out and I truly hope for the younger generation (your daughters and sons) to treasure this blessed gift of God, and by maintaining the courage to learn from the unavoidable errors and usual slip-ups, serve as a good model for the world and the mankind. I have my fingers crossed and may the Almighty God strengthen in you the prudence, the tolerance, the patience and the wide-open eyes that are, undoubtedly, the essentials for battering the obstacles and moving onwards.

I strongly recommend this article to all Americans, regardless of the faction (left or right) to which they belong.

Neat job, my friend. Just keep it up.

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  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Mon May 26, 2008 5:32 PM EDT
{"commentId":1847845,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thank you all for responding to this. Any time I insert personal detail into my writing, it becomes more precious to me, so thank you for your words and for being receptive. I wasn't consciously trying to write something for Memorial Day, but after I read it again yesterday I added that as a tag because, unconsciously, I was obviously thinking about the sacrifices that our forefathers and mothers made for us.

The initial reason for writing this was because of all of the divisive rhetoric that I see here, especially about politics and religion. These institutions were originally meant to bring people together. What we people do with our institutions and our learned knowledge is a different story and often opposite of the spirit that was intended when these things first came into being.

The talk about the dangers that face Obama was also on my mind. If the thing that people are saying were to happen to him, our country would be in deeper trouble than we have been in a long while. We can make it through that too, but it would be an extremely trying time and a time of weakness and vulnerability. It would set us back in many ways and we would have to find more strength than we are currently displaying as a nation to overcome it.

Also, much of the political ranting that I see betrays a feeling of irritation and of entitlement...people who feel that they were entitled to some form of easy life and have been cheated and are angry about it.

Our President is a terrible leader. But we can change everything, today, if we want. If each person did one thing constructive in their own neighborhood, one thing, today, the world would notice and change a little. The power to exact change and to have a positive future is in our hands...the hands of the individual. It takes daily effort.

We can complain about our government, but there is an overall mood in our country that is reliably present when times are bad. The hard truth is that, no matter how bad he is, all of our problems are not the fault of the President.

There are many things that are out of our control, but there are so many things that we can control and create and make better in our lives and in the lives of others. If @!$%# rolls downhill, then optimism rises to the top. We are the ones who should be creating the change. Change in attitude from, 'why me?' to 'what can I do to improve my daily life,' and, as soon as we get that one right, we must move ahead to, 'what can I do to make your situation better.'

We can't rely on Obama to create a feeling, and if Hillary was right about anything, she was right to quote Boston...it takes, more than a feeling. Both are essential, and neither rely on a single person or leader. It is up to us. We are Obama. We are Hillary. We are whoever we need to be in order to change the attitude of this country from being dejected and sullen and fractured to being the solid foundation of the future.

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  • 13 votes
Reply#4 - Wed May 28, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
{"commentId":1848641,"authorDomain":"ntq"}

JCAtom

A long-sighted thinker like you, a humble brave-heart like Allen Neal, and a practiced veteran like jnick here by my side, is all that it takes to outdo the wicked clergies one by one, place the mislaid people to where they belong, and turn the corrupted country to a safe bliss for everyone. Alas! I searched village to village and town to town but I couldn't spot even one. This ain't no kind word nor a flattering remark. This is an advice to your nation at large to treasure their heritage before they end up like mine (stuck in the mud). I'm amazed of the time and energy we spent on dealing with nonsense such as "homosexual love", while there is far more vital things out here for us (the whole world and not just Americans) to benefit from. We have a native ode that says "we're all chain-locked to our do-s and done-s; tough on those who ignore constructive guides". ;-)

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  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Wed May 28, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":1926676,"authorDomain":"darrellgrey-1"}

I never saw this JC, but wow. What an excellent piece. Your comments accessorize nicely too. Thanks for the share.

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  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
{"commentId":1926757,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thanks a lot. My fingers were burning on this one.

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  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Mon Jun 9, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
{"commentId":3820993,"authorDomain":"Horrified"}

Thanks for the article JC, and I also loved your comment above. 

It frustrates me when people blame the government for all of our problems and for the "decline" of our country.  Sure, we need a strong government... but the main difference (at least in my eyes) between our country now, and what it used to be, is the fact that "we the people" are no longer willing to work to keep this country what it once was.  We strive for material gains...for our own personal reputations...  But now it's a competition against eachother instead of a group effort to better the lives of all...

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  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1848165,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

Excellent piece. I always enjoy the histories...

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  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Wed May 28, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
{"commentId":1852702,"authorDomain":"dbourdeau"}

Thank you for helping me realize how we need to reunite as a Country. This has been a difficult time for all Americans, and you are right, we can not give up.

I was born shortly after World War II, and lived through the Eisenhower years as a child, it was such a mellow time, I was orphaned when I was six but was fortunate to find a wonderful foster family that raised me.

Tragedy struck our nation in 1963, when John Kennedy was slain, I grew up at that moment in time and forever lost my innocence about my country, about my world.

Today, I've grown older, my daughter is dying after a very valiant and long illness, while around me are these difficult times for our country.

Still, you are right, our country will survive these difficult times and move forward to a better and brighter day.

Thank you for sharing your family history, and for allowing me to share a bit of mine.

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  • 8 votes
Reply#6 - Thu May 29, 2008 1:46 AM EDT
{"commentId":1853000,"authorDomain":"ntq"}

Diane

The miracle that saved that helpless orphan child will aid your beloved daughter the same way and, by will of God, she shall outdo the infirmity with courage and might. This is what life's all about; taking the good with the bad all the time. We have our fingers crossed and await to hear the news of her recovering back to normal life. Thanks for sharing your pain and giving us a moment to forget all about ours. :-)

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  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Thu May 29, 2008 3:13 AM EDT
{"commentId":1854421,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thank you Diane.

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  • 6 votes
#6.2 - Thu May 29, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1854267,"authorDomain":"MaggieCat"}

The long view is always good. Thank you for sharing. It makes me wonder what you would think of my latest article.

God Bless us all and keep us safe.
MaggieCat

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  • 6 votes
Reply#7 - Thu May 29, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":1856494,"authorDomain":"dbourdeau"}

ntq,JCAtom, and Maggie,

Thank you for your prayers and kind thoughts, god will take good care of my daughter, thank you for helping me remember this.

Maggie, I am fairly new to using the Vine, so I do not know how to reach you and your site without becoming friends, so if you want to invite me to be friends that would be great and I would be able to read your article all your articles. The same goes for ntq I would enjoying reading your seeds and articles.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Thu May 29, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":1861465,"authorDomain":"ntq"}

Diane

am fairly new to using the Vine, so I do not know how to reach you and your site without becoming friends

Please refer to your e-mail for necessary instructions.

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  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Fri May 30, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2063205,"authorDomain":"umadoshi"}

I too will add my commendation for a wonderful piece.

What I find most interesting my friend, is just how much, as ntq said, this piece should be read by others, by the non-Americans, and specially the developing world.

We do indeed need to all start living in the world from being a:

unified group of States to being a single State with many parts.

Many of the issues you presented do apply to the world, and if we all start acting:

we can change everything, today, if we want. If each person did one thing constructive in their own neighborhood, one thing, today, the world would notice and change a little.

Thank you for sharing.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:08 AM EDT
{"commentId":2064050,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thank you.

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  • 2 votes
#9.1 - Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2247542,"authorDomain":"seenalot"}

I like the author's optimism, and I agree with it. We must and we will pull ourselves out of this long nightmare of selfish people running the country. But climbing out of the muck of the past 8 years, and several other terms of office will take perseverance. I am very worried that we might allow GWB to become our Julius Caesar. Julius brought about the fall of the Roman Republic by becoming popular enough to override the laws of his country and make people believe their safety depended on the one strong man theory. The Romans gave up their independence to his successors because they were not strong enough together to deal with the power now collected behind the Politicians--and the one who fought to eradicate their freedoms in exchange for bread, circuses, and prosperity. Our country's government organization, while owing much to the British parliament, owes as much to the Roman Republic as a model. I just hope GWB is not our J. Caesar.

I also appreciate the vote of confidence from ntq, who apparently is not "from here." Thanks for your vote of confidence.

Your family timeline was interesting, but since my family was also here in Jamestown long before the revolution, I would disagree that the Civil War was the founding of our nation (as I think you are saying, the Ken Burns view), but it was certainly the beginnings of our nation's consolidation and unquestioned cohesiveness.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":2247687,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thanks very much.

...the Civil War...was certainly the beginnings of our nation's consolidation and unquestioned cohesiveness...

That's really all I'm saying. We were a union before, but we were a country afterwards. That's splitting hairs in some ways, but I still think we're saying the same thing.

Lincoln agreed that the U.S. was a sovereign entity from its founding. I think that many citizens had a different view of things and were more loyal to their State previously. Lee only went with the South because his home State of Virginia did. I don't think that the loyalties of nearly as many Americans are that strong for their State today.

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  • 2 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:16 PM EDT
{"commentId":3808241,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}

Good write-up, JC.

The unified States of America, before 1861, considered themselves to be a Union, in some ways similar to the European Union.

Some of us still do.

Lincoln agreed that the U.S. was a sovereign entity from its founding.

Only after he occupied the Oval Office. Before his election, he spoke on the legality of secession.

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." - Abraham Lincoln

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  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2248352,"authorDomain":"crankyman"}

Exellent. I almost had a tear in my eye.

I wish there was some way to have you teach US history in schools. They need all the help they can get these days.

Keep up the good work!

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  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":2248910,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thank you very much. You don't sound all that cranky.

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  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
{"commentId":2249150,"authorDomain":"crankyman"}

Don't let that out. I have a rep to uphold.

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  • 3 votes
#12.2 - Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2325464,"authorDomain":"gatorhater"}

Wonderful article.

I wonder, sometimes, if our modern lifestyle is part of our problem.

What are the social ramifications of: Air conditioners, Televisions, Computers, etc? At a certain time, phones and electricity were new.

What would be the differences of the average American household in 1800, 1900 and 2000? When the family arose, in the morning, what was everyone's chores and what methods were used to achieve them? What did fixing a pot of coffee entail? Eggs for breakfast? Milk on the table? Biscuits and gravy?

I wonder about our "can do attitude". Our ancestors had the "can do" and they "did". Otherwise the old family tree would have died. Most of our ancestors were simply trying to make a living and that took up nearly all of their time. Do to the advances in technology, we have a lot of spare time. Are we as productive with that time, as we should be? An old saying..."idle minds are the devil's playground".

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  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":2435063,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}
I wonder about our "can do attitude". Our ancestors had the "can do" and they "did".

I'm sure that all of us can too. I don't think that everybody knows/believes that about themselves though.

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  • 5 votes
#13.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":2435158,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}

very good article I thank you JCAtom

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  • 2 votes
#13.2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":2684251,"authorDomain":"measuringhistory"}

A good thread related to this article, but we should remember that these luxuries others now enjoy as well.

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  • 2 votes
#13.3 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 5:36 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2352496,"authorDomain":"ourpath12"}

JCAtom for President , hip, hip, horay, hip, hip, horay !!!!

Great article !!!!

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  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
{"commentId":2435074,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

I embarrass very easily, but thank you for the vote of confidence.

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  • 1 vote
#14.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2429871,"authorDomain":"zdrakes"}

The poignancy of a piece may be measured by the comment it excites. This piece was a pleasure to read and excited comment that was thoughtful, hopeful and pleasant. No mean accomplishment, my very dear fellow.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#16 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
{"commentId":2431639,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

I truly appreciate your comment.

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  • 3 votes
#16.1 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:50 AM EDT
{"commentId":2434641,"authorDomain":"tlharmon123"}

Good job. It's pretty rare to not see people arguing.

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  • 4 votes
#16.2 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
{"commentId":2435102,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Wondering if you saw that a fellow cranky man has also been here? I think my comment to him goes for your's too! ;-D

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  • 2 votes
#16.3 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
{"commentId":2437881,"authorDomain":"tlharmon123"}

Yep, I've run across cranky old man before. I didn't steal his name honest. I gave myself the name when I was getting shot to pieces by kids in an online game.

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  • 1 vote
#16.4 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2459292,"authorDomain":"steve9001"}

In light of the current situation, Americans have grown both complacent and have exhausted all of their time to ponder. We are all guilty of claiming to advocate change, but change to what? So many of the vines are acrid with the blame and short on offering quality solutions that can both be practical and effective. How, many thoughtful submission are made to our leaders that offer solutions for our current situation? Notice the number of people you encounter over the next week that actually appear happy. But what are they doing about it? Are they educating themselves out of their job at Wal-mart? or do they spend the majority of their time holding their pants up with one hand, effectively making themselves as disabled as an amputee to appear 'cool'. So much of the current media, for example, is not interested in presenting us with facts and insight to the status quo. Rather they are all trying to effect an adrenaline response to offer a red bull syndrome that leaves us exhausted and hopeless afterward. In order to effect a real outcome to a real problem, there will be both winners and losers. Somehow we have convinced ourselves that no-one has to lose anymore. Take oil for example. How many of the current leaders are trying to convince us we use simply use too much. How many actually feel that we should conserve some oil for future generations to use in plastic medical devices, advocate the building of a national high speed rail system that could run on hydrogen made from locally available energy sources. The only reason the manhattan project was a success was that it was super secret and fascist influences were not privy to it. It helped that our backs were against the wall. Exxon knows their days of profit are numbered. GM is already feeling the pain but we still drive their cars that burn gas back and forth to the burbs without any access to food, clothing or medicine without getting back into that car. Why aren't we expanding the postal service to deliver our food twice a week that would be ordered on-line or on our phones in vehicles that run on natural gas. TBoone should be lobbying the postal service alone for his energy plan. Point to it as a resounding success, then expand it. The infrastructure is there. Quit offering tax incentives of $7500.00 to new home buyers or those who have been renting for 3 years and use that cash to retrofit every HVAC system in every home that is over 10 years old, apply solar roofing, install a windmill or whatever provides a logical solution. We have to accept that there will be pain and few are simply willing to give ethical thought to these problems since few can be accomplished in a 4 year term. Now my adrenaline is flowing freely.

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Reply#17 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":2518358,"authorDomain":"jnick"}
We should be comforted some...by the fact that the people of our country are more awake now. The younger generations are more engaged than ever. We know that it isn't going to be easy and we know that we have to take the lead as a country with the power that we have. We have to understand that we can only do this by working together. Our partisan political system seems to inflate and bristle when the country deflates like this, but we have to willfully restore some balance and willfully engage in constructive compromise.

Your words ring true, I too place hope on our younger generation. Partisan politics have brought our democracy and constitution to a dangerous state. Awakening of the younger generation questioning validity of partisan practices will be a mainstay to getting our country back on track. Ratings of congress and executive branch show that the masses are noticing mismanagement and perhaps this places them on notice that we are watching and this will affect their actions.

This piece is excellent and I agree everyone should read your work. I am clipping your article to my blog. Thanks jnick

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Reply#18 - Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
{"commentId":2625123,"authorDomain":"jibade7"}

What a wonderful encouraging article. Even though we've seen hard times we've seen them through - together. Remembering this I can have hope that we can and will pull together again and get it on down the road.

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Reply#19 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:05 PM EDT
{"commentId":2626364,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}
we can and will pull together again and get it on down the road

I think most people are ready to do that. Many people do their part in whatever way they know how, some don't know what to do, but we can probably do more to achieve many of our goals by working together as a nation.

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#19.1 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
{"commentId":2633780,"authorDomain":"jibade7"}

I think, honestly, as we try to keep situations and living styles the same and comfortable we will continue to get ourselves in a pickle. But as things get more difficult and we are forced into change that's when the great character of people will shine through. I don't know why it's like that, and I'm not saying I'm first in line... but it just seems to be true. When the going gets tough... the tough get going. I know it's corny, but that saying came out of somewhere for a reason. =)

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#19.2 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:07 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2672192,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}

You write well. Unfortunately, I know little about my family except that one side was chased out of France during their revolution. I started my journey in life about 10 months after Pearl Harbor. Makes me wonder sometimes because nobody in the family talked much about family history.

I keep saying that the only way we will work our way out of the current mess is to put our differences aside for awhile at least, and find common ground that we can all work from. When you look at the grander scale of things, this earth we live on is only a little speck of dust floating around a rather small and ordinary ball of light. We have no place else to go and we need to learn to get along and live together. Life is far to short to waste it bickering over our differences and trying to play the blame game.

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Reply#20 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
{"commentId":2672240,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}
We have no place else to go and we need to learn to get along and live together. Life is far to short to waste it bickering over our differences and trying to play the blame game.

That's a mighty succinct statement about our situation

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#20.1 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":2672486,"authorDomain":"sherwood-1"}

I should get my old lady to read that, she says I am far too wordy when I write. Thanks

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#20.2 - Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":3962327,"authorDomain":"melinda-davis01"}

atsidiwashichu looking into family history is a really eye opening experience! I had an Uncle that I had known my whole life, he was quiet & kind and  and never talked much about his experiences during WWII. After he passed away I did a little digging into his past and found out that he was Awarded 5 bronze stars and two purple hearts all during the D-Day invasion of Normandy!   He never said a word about it, I new he was in the Army Because of my Dad telling me but not a word about what happened.

I have a picture of him and my Dad and they had traded uniforms, My dad was in the Navy during the first part of the War, the picture turned out to be the truth of sorts,  after my dad did his tour of duty with the navy he joined the army and went to Europe.

My Uncle was discharged from the Army due to his wounds. My Dad went on to fight in Europe, Korea and Vietnam. He was also used by the Government in the nuclear testing in Nevada during the 1950's. 

If you get the time you should look into your Family History you might just be amazed by what you find!

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#20.3 - Fri Nov 7, 2008 11:04 AM EST
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{"commentId":3145595,"authorDomain":"lprieta"}

Hmmm...lots here. Let me say first that nowadays we have FEWER options for life than say, 1863. As in; We aspire to be 1. symbolic analysts 2. well-heeled patricians 3. self-righteous simpletons (choose only 1 "lifestyle" from the list and enter "submit").
My great-great-great-grandmother made a choice in 1706 and married a (gasp) Catholic and (horror of horrors) an Indian! She had been captured by the Mohawk of my village in Deerfield Mass. and decided that she could choose a healthier life by marrying Francis Arosen and leaving New England's paternalistic culture. (Women were "chattel" and there were witch burnings. etc.) She had freedom and respect and never gave it up. She outlived her siblings (Indians bathed regularly) while her father (John Williams) spent years running around trying to get her to come home. Personal history can be a window to life in this instant.

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Reply#21 - Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
{"commentId":3804552,"authorDomain":"rosemore"}

JC, I too did not know you, but am thankful that you asked me to be your friend. I am a product of the "Big War" world war 11 being born in 43 and have witnessed many changes in this country. It was a pleasure to read your article, and may I say that if you are not a professional writer you should be.

You are correct in saying that it is up to us all of us and to  say as JFK once said "ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". It is time for all Americans to take control of our country. We cannot leave it up to the President alone to lead we THE PEOPLE need to help by being truthful with ourselves and lead the world by example, to show the world that we are a people united and stand as one voice and stop the internal bickering that constantly goes on.

Again thank you, and may the good lord continue to guide your hand in your writings.  WELL DONE.

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Reply#22 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
{"commentId":3804572,"authorDomain":"rosemore"}

JC, I too did not know you, but am thankful that you asked me to be your friend. I am a product of the "Big War" world war 11 being born in 43 and have witnessed many changes in this country. It was a pleasure to read your article, and may I say that if you are not a professional writer you should be.

You are correct in saying that it is up to us all of us and to  say as JFK once said "ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY". It is time for all Americans to take control of our country. We cannot leave it up to the President alone to lead we THE PEOPLE need to help by being truthful with ourselves and lead the world by example, to show the world that we are a people united and stand as one voice and stop the internal bickering that constantly goes on.

Again thank you, and may the good lord continue to guide your hand in your writings.  WELL DONE.

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Reply#23 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":3805005,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thank you so much for your kind words.

I agree, we have to regain the understanding that to lead by example is the best way that we, as individuals, can lead.

Asking if they do it, why can't I is not an example of leadership. Saying, the bad behavior of others is no excuse for ours is what we need to be doing.

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#23.1 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:26 PM EDT
{"commentId":3807322,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

I'm not a professional writer btw, but would love to be.

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#23.2 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:21 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3806605,"authorDomain":"hugo-gnzlz"}

J, liked the article, informative and persuasive, just one thing I do not agree with

striving for impossible perfection

Sorry, I had not read it carfully, now I see "imposible" in the sentence.  We are anatiion far better than any other in the world.  Unfortunately we fight among ourselves and HELP other countries before we help each other.

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Reply#24 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":3807354,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

I agree. I think we should do both at the same time.

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#24.1 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
{"commentId":3807864,"authorDomain":"hugo-gnzlz"}

ok I will go with that.

Good writting

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#24.2 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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{"commentId":3809225,"authorDomain":"kakael"}

thanks jc...your article is very inspiring and ignites the inner assurance of hope...

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Reply#25 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
{"commentId":3810331,"authorDomain":"j-clarahan"}

Jc,

Great article.  Even though it was written some time ago, glad it popped up just now.  I think it's pretty appropriate to consider these things when heading into the presidential election next week.

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Reply#26 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":3811747,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}

Thanks. I like for these conversations to be ongoing if possible.

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#26.1 - Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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