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Today's employment report shows that the economy has lost more than eight million jobs since the recession began, but some sectors have skated through.
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{"commentId":10520525,"authorDomain":"jcatom"}
Notice how health care dominates the list. Those opposed to a “government takeover” of health care should pause to ask how it is that in the deepest recession any of us have ever seen, that was virtually the only industry to flourish.
...it also shows how divorced health care has been from normal market forces. The people who decide on how much health care will be used are the doctors and patients, neither of whom thinks they are paying for it.
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#1 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM EST{"commentId":10520741,"authorDomain":"bobnelsonfrance"}
A couple years ago, a somewhat excited reporter asked Bernard Kouchner (co-founder of "Doctors Without Borders, Health Minister at the time of the interview -- big job in France -- and now Foreign Minister), "Why do health costs just keep going up and up and up?!"
Kouchner said nothing for a moment, letting the reporter's "breathlessness" calm down.
Then he answered... gently... "People are living to be older and older. The elderly require more health care. ... ... Duh!"
Good seed. Significant.
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{"commentId":10521671,"authorDomain":"kazutam"}
While I do understand the point of this article this is a bit misleading.
YES, HOME health care services are up 10.8%.
They are talking about services provided IN THE HOME, like Hospice, and home health aides. With a growing aging population this is NOT surprising.
Home Health Care Services, up 10.8%
Federal Government Except Postal Service, up 9.3%
I would HOPE that folks will look at what is occupying the number 2 slot. That is the federal government.
So during this recessions that has now got unemployment rates above 10%, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT employment has risen ALMOST as much as unemployment.
We truly need to ask ourselves in an era of belt tightening across the country from businesses to homes, and with SHRINKING revenue(due to lost tax revenue from the unemployment in this country) WHY is the government growing?
The days of "tax and spend" and "deficit spending" should be at an end. It is foolish to continue to spend more than is brought in, ask ANY business person and they will tell you that doing this is a quick way to bankruptcy court.
Why do we allow the government to act this way?
If any of us ran our personal finances the way the government runs theirs we would soon find ourselves in prison for fraud.
This "article" is a thinly veiled push for the "Health Care Reform" legislation.
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{"commentId":10523170,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
Not to dispute these Titans of Statistics...
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_12072007.pdf
November 2007 employment situation...Government employment 22.348 million (Page 24 of 30)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
October 2009 employment situation Government employment 22.447 million (Page 23 of 29)
If you want to compare the size of the "Federal Government" it's 2.712 to 2.843.
22.447/22.348=1.0044, move the decimal two spots, subtract the one. It is up 0.44%.
2.843/2.712=1.0483 or up 4.83%.
One should note they are talking about the "Federal Government" minus the USPS which has also shrunk significantly.
And taken on a whole when one includes, state and local schools, state and local government, etc, the government has only increased in size 0.44%.
They might also want to note that "The Federal Government/except USPS" refers to about 2.154 million jobs...it is not that many people. That is roughly 1.4% of the entire labor force.
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{"commentId":10529241,"authorDomain":"l--e"}
Health care up 22%, yep. More elderly need home care, hospice, rehab, NH placement, hospital care, Prescriptions. Makes sense to me. Government up 9%, yep. Guess who manages, monitors, and pays for those elderly to get the medical care it needs. Medicare/Medicaid. Both government run programs. I found the fact that those two rose at the same time interesting. Wonder if that is a trend worth following?
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{"commentId":10537221,"authorDomain":"bobnelsonfrance"}
More elderly need home care, hospice, rehab, NH placement, hospital care, Prescriptions. Makes sense to me. ... Wonder if that is a trend worth following?
As Ben Franklin said, "Old age is a terrible thing... but consider the alternative..."
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{"commentId":10571904,"authorDomain":"tempestnam"}
Government up 9%, yep.
Again...that was "Federal Government except USPS" So the USPS isn't part of the Federal Government? I'm gonna say false because they are certainly paid by em and run by em.
Guess who manages, monitors, and pays for those elderly to get the medical care it needs. Medicare/Medicaid. Both government run programs.
The government doesn't run the medical care though. They just pay for it. It's a little disingenuous to say the Government is running up health care all by itself.
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{"commentId":10521060,"authorDomain":"corie-springer"}
Man has a point, a lot of procedures are unnecessary, in fact a lot of the equipment around here is, we just use it to take a little more money.
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#2 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST{"commentId":10532816,"authorDomain":"rainbowwarrior"}
All through history the previous generations have sacrificed for the next; their children and their children's children. It just seems to me that the so called Greatest Generation, the one preceding the Baby Boomers broke the cycle. Think about it, look what's happened to the Planet, the obscene desire to accumulate wealth and power, look how they have set them selves up at their kids expense! They hoard the wealth, benefits and then want to live even longer, as if their lives have not been the most abundant in luxury and comfort in history, and probably will be the best ever as the future generations pay in ever way for the life style they demanded and everyone else wants to obtain.
Long live the generation gap we recognized in the 60s! The sad thing is most of the Baby Boomers have now become their parents!
Like I said, a sacred hoop has been broken, me first... the hell with you, and your damn kids!
Too many people, and now too many people living too long... somethings gotta give, the Planet will survive but how much will we take down the tubes with us on our way out?
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#3 - Fri Nov 6, 2009 6:56 PM EST{"commentId":10537255,"authorDomain":"bobnelsonfrance"}
They hoard the wealth, benefits and then want to live even longer...
This is indeed impossible. I doubt that anyone disagrees with longer life, but we cannot continue our greedy, grasping drive for more and more "stuff" at the same time.
somethings gotta give
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