New Jihad Code Threatens al Qaeda

You won't hear about when Benotman may have seen or heard from Bin Laden last. The answer is simple, and has been accidentally slipped a few times by members of the American Military complex. Bin Laden has been dead since at least 2005. Many people don't even think he lived that long. Bin Laden was in a hospital with kidney failure when the Towers fell. He left the hospital after purchasing 2 dialysis machines to take with him. I don't know about what you may have been told, but I don't think someone in kidney failure lives in seclusion in the mountains for 8 years.

brian-

I don't think he's alive either. My info is that he was a kidney patient and a heroin addict. Like you said, you can't live in a cave for 8 years like that. Even Bear Gryllis would have a tough time finding food and getting help using the dialysis machines! You also need electricity, and there's not much of that around either.

My point was not downing you... I gathered that you may have felt that way... My point was that we will never EVER hear about the death of Bin Laden. Without Bin Laden the American Military/Industrial Complex would lose its support for war. Bin Laden will live forever... or until we conquer all of the Middle East and begin our assault on the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization... Russia and China).

Oh, no, sorry if I gave you that impression. I understood exactly what you meant. And I agree with the above statement wholeheartedly!

The attacks of 9-11 killed in excess of 3000 Americans all told. Add in around 5000 killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Total around 8000 Americans killed by bin Laden / al Qaeda.

The estimates of those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of 9-11 by coalition forces range from 200,000 to 300,000. Even the least intelligent of the leaders in that part of the world realize that fighting the West is a losing proposition. We in the West have to hope that one day the people there will turn on bin Laden when the full extend of the carnage he has brought to them becomes clear.

jack... Two things about your post... the number of Americans killed in Iraq are not attributable to Al Qaeda, the numbers in Afghanistan are debatable, but I believe still can be blamed on Al Qaeda.

Second... They won't listen to Bin Laden anymore... Bin Laden is dead.

The numbers of dead American's in Iraq are directly attributed to the American Military/Industrial Complex... They are the fault of America, and its allies that supported our invasion of Iraq. Never forget that Saddam was a HATER of Al Qaeda, he executed such vermin. Al Qaeda didn't exist in Iraq until we created a vacuum of power that allowed them to enter.

brianfromPA-

I agree with what you wrote. However, I attributed the Iraqi civilian and military deaths from Golf War II as a direct result of 9-11. In other words, if there had been no 9-11, there would have been no GWII despite Cheny's & Bush"s foaming at the mouth and lies regarding WMD.

that I agree with completely. Now I see how you wrote that, and it makes sense. GW would have continued on his way to terrible ratings, and John Kerry would have been our president which would have opened us up to a Republican this last time around.

Of course we might have a balanced budget today if that had all happened as planned. As it is, I still don't see America lasting more than a decade or two.

As it is, I still don't see America lasting more than a decade or two.

Ahh.. the immortal words of King George III

LOL... slightly different circumstances between then and now. At least admit that we are going to suffer the same fate as Japan did from 1990 to 2007. Continued Low central bank rates, bottom of the barrel value of currency, and financial organizations of the world getting rich off of our misery running carry trades with the U.S. dollar instead of the YEN.

You two need to get a room.... and some more dope!

Give me a break with the conspiracy theory garbage. We went into Iraq because of Saddam's unwillingness to abide by the 1991 UN brokered cease fire. Saddam's "unknown" weapon stocks were attributed to him lying to the world.

John Kerry was, as he is today, an incompetent dink.

The attacks of 9-11 killed in excess of 3000 Americans all told. Add in around 5000 killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Total around 8000 Americans killed by bin Laden / al Qaeda.

The estimates of those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of 9-11 by coalition forces range from 200,000 to 300,000.

I agree with who killed the 3000 on 9/11. But by far most of the 5000 in Iraq and Afghanistan are directly attributable to Bush/Chenney and their lies in taking us to Iraq, Bush completely forgetting about Afghanistan.

Of those non-Americans killed over there, of the 200,000-300,000, I would venture 90 percent to be what was termed "collateral damage" - not combatants, not enemies, just children, women and others that were in the way. Somehow justified in the revenge and retribution of this Christian versus Islam religious war.

Unfortunately much of the trouble in the middle east is due to poor decisions made by us. We chose to station our troops in Saudi Arabia to protect the oil for our purposes provoking Bin Laden. Then we invade Iraq with no justification. Now we are seeing with the war being brought into our own homeland as we saw with Ft. Hood. Clearly, it's a repercussion of the war and those 13 dead are war casualties. Obviously no one is condoning the Ft. Hood massacre as it was sheer horror, but violence does beget violence no matter who's right or wrong. You can't expect your home to be safe when you're out burning others.

Are you serious Phast?? We provoked Bin Ladin??? Why did we provoke him, because his radical interpretation of his "holy" book states that non-believers in his brand of religion should not step foot in "his" country?? That is a crock of bologna!! We invaded Iraq with no justification?? Do you know that Saddam sent millions of dollars to the families of Palestinians who blew themselves up in the name of islam?? Saddam was just as bad as Bin Ladin. We are not seeing it brought to our homeland, our government, namely the democrats are bringing it to our homeland. We owe this to Jimmy Carter, he lost Iran for us. All this terror can be traced back to Iran, and the great peacemaker hick Jimmy Carter allowed them to go extreme!! Phast, you don't understand that these people don't care about you, they would kill you just as fast as they would kill me, so don't try to reason why they are doing what they are doing, they are doing it because they want everyone to be Muslim and to control the world, simple as that. So pull your head from the sand and get with the program!

Actually you promised Bin Ladin help after ousting the Soviets from Afghanistan and then you reneged. If Saddam was as complicit with terrorists as you say then why did the US government need a whopping stupid lie to invade? As fror Iran, Carter was just left holding the bag, the issues there were the fault of the Shah and the US and British governments that placed a brutal dictator in power. No one seemed to think that when a proud people is beaten down they become vulnerable to extreme elements and revolution. It only happened in Germany and Russia so why would anyone think it could happen again? Try reading real histories and not listening to Bush-era propaganda, you may find it adds up a lot more logically than the bad action movie they've fed us for the last ten years. (and I don't support either party I'm just educated!)

Cris, I never promised Bin Ladin anything, and what help are you talking about, where did you learn that, or are confusing education and emotion/feelings? So, you are so educated that you can lay blame to Shah and US and British Governments???? Maybe you are reading a revisionist history, but the problem was Carter appeasing the Soviets, smartypants. Think about it, who moved in when we were kicked out?? I'll give you a hint, USSR. So you don't think the majority of Iranians are beaten down today?? You think the majority of Iranians are extremists and revolutionaries? Come on guy, I know history, you obviously think you do, what did you do, read "A People's History of the United States" that makes you an expert??

Chris, here is a CBS story on Saddam's financial support of Palestinian homicide bombers.

I'd like to know where you were supposedly "educated". KOS? Huffington Post? MSNBC? You sound like the typical Bush-A-Phobic talking points regurgitator to me.

Are you serious Phast?? We provoked Bin Ladin??? Why did we provoke him, because his radical interpretation of his "holy" book states that non-believers in his brand of religion should not step foot in "his" country??

As typical this argument sounds, the truth is not as simple as that unfortunately. The Middle East doesn't hate us just because of "our way of life." That is just a convenient Bush-era propaganda argument. The truth is that they couldn't care less.

What I said was that we stationed our troops in Saudi Arabia (- look it up) and many in the region found that move insulting. "Why are Americans occupying us?" was the typical question and a legitimate one. The answer to the question is however obvious: we wanted to protect that oil for us and the Saudi Royal family agreed with it which is why Bush Admin. never criticized Sauds and today we are their best friends - even though the Saudi royal family should be charged with human rights violations against the Saudi citizens and the Asian expats living there today.

Going back to our troops in Saudi Arabia, this caused a huge spike in Anti-American sentiment and many experts and the CIA themselves cold-blooded-ly acknowledge this fact yet we continued our endless interference with the Middle Eastern politics. Look at Iran - have you ever heard of "Operation Ajax?" Also don't forget how Saddam Hussein used be our biggest puppet and receiver of our weapons. Also don't forget our support for the Mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Oh and regarding the Palestinians - we turned down a shipload of Jewish refugees during the Holocaust era because Roosevelt didn't think we have enough room for them. The ship of refugees were at our coast and we sent them back. So what happened to those refugees? They were sent to their deaths when they were returned to Hitler's Germany. Fact. Not only that, we are the only country in the world to side and supply Israel with nukes even though they are in more UN resolution violations than any other Middle Eastern country including Iran.

Phast

Buddy, Infidels are not supposed to step foot in Islamic countries, plain and simple, that is what the Radicals interpret from the Koran. There is no debating it, that is a fact.

Also don't forget how Saddam Hussein used be our biggest puppet and receiver of our weapons. Also don't forget our support for the Mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

What are you trying to say??? You see Charlie Wilson's war?? We could have rebuilt Afghanistan once the Russians left, John Murtha and his friends didn't want to spend the money there, they wanted to buy votes back home with the money, and that is also a fact (the buying votes can't really be proven, but you know it happens, admit it!) So what if Iraq was our friend, then our enemy, now our friend, look at Germany (twice in the 1900's) and Japan!

Oh and regarding the Palestinians - we turned down a shipload of Jewish refugees during the Holocaust era because Roosevelt didn't think we have enough room for them. The ship of refugees were at our coast and we sent them back. So what happened to those refugees? They were sent to their deaths when they were returned to Hitler's Germany. Fact. Not only that, we are the only country in the world to side and supply Israel with nukes even though they are in more UN resolution violations than any other Middle Eastern country including Iran.

IThe Palestinians have no right to that land, that is like saying we should give back Texas and California to Mexico. Or give back the laand we bought in the Louisiana Purchase or Alaska because we got such a good deal on it. Do you know what Isreal was before it was Isreal?? It was a barren wasteland. The Palestinians, sold the land for peanuts and now that it is an oasis they want it bad. Too bad for them!!!

Before you post something, have some facts and also, make a point, don't just post to post, it is not becoming of you!

The Palestinians have no right to that land, that is like saying we should give back Texas and California to Mexico. Or give back the laand we bought in the Louisiana Purchase or Alaska because we got such a good deal on it. Do you know what Isreal was before it was Isreal?? It was a barren wasteland. The Palestinians, sold the land for peanuts and now that it is an oasis they want it bad. Too bad for them!!!

Oh really? They have no right to a land they were occupying for decades? and suddenly victims of the Holocaust are forced in there and politicians decide that this country would be better without Palestinians? So they push those Palestinians out into homelessness and refugee status. To this day, the Palestinians are stateless people because Israel kicked them out just like European countries kicked them out after the Holocaust. What happened to the Jews during WW2 was horrible and evil. But why did they have to punish Palestinians for that? Get you facts straight. It wasn't a barren wasteland. There were more than a million Palestinians living and farming there. There were few Jews before WW2 occupying that land. Even if it did belong rightfully to Israel. Was it really fair kicking out masses of Palestinians and taking more land from them? No.

Before you post something, have some facts and also, make a point, don't just post to post, it is not becoming of you!

Point well taken. The point I was trying to make in my last post was that our interference with Middle Eastern politics and our illicit thirst for oil is to blame for the rising Anti-American sentiment in the region.

There were more than a million Palestinians living and farming there.

WRONG!! A million, come on guy!! And it was a desolate, barren wasteland, I have seen pictures first hand of what it looked like when the Jews arrived.

Point well taken. The point I was trying to make in my last post was that our interference with Middle Eastern politics and our illicit thirst for oil is to blame for the rising Anti-American sentiment in the region.

Incase you haven't noticed everyone has a thirst for oil, What do you want to do, stop everything and go back the 1800's and hunt whales for oil? You have no solutions, you just whine and pout. Why do you even care about the Palestinians? They bring nothing to the world, except violence, name one thing they export that is positive. Too bad if they don't like us over there, we are going to take the oil, they can be with us or against us, and look what happens when you are against us...Saddam... that is our oil. What do you want the alternative, Russia getting it?? Thats what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq. Next we should go into Iran and get their oil, we already have them surrounded and we could take out their military in two weeks, the only thing stopping us, is cowards like you!

Everyone has a thirst, but you can't just steal something because you want it. We have plenty of oil at home. What is it for? If you want Middle Eastern oil you got to take it the right way, if they don't want to give you their oil, you can't force them to.

And no, you are wrong! It wasn't a barren wasteland. Read some UN resolutions for your knowledge. That is only unless you think the UN is an illegitimate organization.

oo bad if they don't like us over there, we are going to take the oil, they can be with us or against us, and look what happens when you are against us...Saddam... that is our oil. What do you want the alternative, Russia getting it?? Thats what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq. Next we should go into Iran and get their oil, we already have them surrounded and we could take out their military in two weeks, the only thing stopping us, is cowards like you!

Do you realize this is the same logic used by Hitler when he attacked Soviet Union? By attacking them, he could secure oilfields in the Baku region which were about to fall to the Soviets. Good job the_pitboss, you have proven yourself to not care about the morals and responsibilities involved in being a leader of the free world.

Phast,

I have no doubt that you mean well, but stealing natural resources from other people is how the world has operated since people stopped being nomads and settled into civilizations. Sorry that is just how it is and that will be how it always is (until nuclear war). If we don't take it, the Russians and Chinese will, so its better we are not them!!

And no, you are wrong! It wasn't a barren wasteland. Read some UN resolutions for your knowledge. That is only unless you think the UN is an illegitimate organization.

What do UN Resolutions have to do with the Price of tea in China?? The place was a desert, nothing there but some smelly barbarians, hate to use that type of language, but it is true, and I know because my prof in college was a Palestinian (his parents moved to Lebenon then to the US) and he thanks the Jewish people every chance he has for giving him and his family a better life!

You are now comparing me to Hitler, come on guy that is a little bit of a stretch and you are not supposed to insult people on this site!!

I have no doubt that you mean well, but stealing natural resources from other people is how the world has operated since people stopped being nomads and settled into civilizations. Sorry that is just how it is and that will be how it always is (until nuclear war). If we don't take it, the Russians and Chinese will, so its better we are not them!!

Right. So I take it that you at least acknowledge my earlier point, that trouble in the Middle East is due to our thirst for oil. I'm not comparing you to Hitler at all!! I'm comparing your logic to Hitler's. Just read what you wrote:

Too bad if they don't like us over there, we are going to take the oil, they can be with us or against us, and look what happens when you are against us...Saddam... that is our oil. What do you want the alternative, Russia getting it?? Thats what would have happened if we didn't go into Iraq. Next we should go into Iran and get their oil, we already have them surrounded and we could take out their military in two weeks, the only thing stopping us, is cowards like you!

Does this not sound like something a dictator would say?? I have nothing personally against you, but what you wrote sounds awfully wrong to me.

Why do you care so much about this thirst for oil and the Palestinians??? It isn't just us it is the world. Get over it, we are going to take the oil, even if you don't like it!! The Palestinians are like the people in this country hoping for a hand out because nobody has ever taught them to take care of themselves, so maybe the president will give them a bail out too??? Well I have to go to the gym, I'm going to go contribute to Climate Change by getting in my Land Rover and driving to the gym (I personally do have a thirst for gas 12mpg) I have a vested interest in us keeping oil as cheap as possible!!! Adios

Why do you care so much about this thirst for oil. It isn't just us it is the world. Get over it, we are going to take the oil, even if you don't like it!!

It's about our responsibility as being the leader of the free world. I strongly believe that if we our the superpower we have to take extra steps in doing the right thing. We can't abuse this power otherwise history won't be nice to us.

It was fun discussing and arguing this with you. You can tell that these things can bring out strong emotions from everyone. But it's healthy to work it out these details now and then.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your gym workout!

"All women, children, priests and traders: Kindly leave the premises immediately as we need to detonate a bomb."

Leafydebater

I only have one major problem with this.

Do you see anyone following it in the news lately?

Well, certainly not Pat Robertson, who want to issue an American fatwa agains all Muslim. He certainly hold them all guilty unless proven innocent... and then only provisionally.

That won't get passed. Ever.

I don't think that anything will happen, no matter how many changes are made, unless Osama Bin Ladin writes them himself. Or if he just calls an end to jihad, but that will NEVER happen.

Canadian Dave

Dontcha just LOVE a jihadist who follows the Code?!?!

Well let me ask you... the U.S. Army has a "Code of Conduct;" is that an important thing, or an irrelevency?

Well let me ask you... the U.S. Army has a "Code of Conduct;" is that an important thing, or an irrelevency?

There is one main difference between the two, however: the U.S. Army punishes those who fail to follow the code. I think that may be relevant to the point he was making...even if there is a new "code of jihad," it has no effect unless it can be enforced, so how is this going to change anything?

Canadian Dave

Uthaclena - Are you implying that a US soldier and a jihadist from (name a country of your choice) are likely to respect the "codes that guide them" in the same manner?

It depends if they have a sense of honor. You must know that "jihad" existed long before there was a United States, and there were the same rules of conduct that the LFIG is repeating. Jihad is not about 'destroying America" and Western civilization as some would argue.

If a Muslim Jihadist has no honor he becomes a suicide terrorist killing innocents. If an American soldier has no honor, they help create an Abu Ghraib.

Most American soldiers do not torture, and most Muslims are not terrorists. Clear?

I guess it's like the pledge of abstinence that Bristol Palin took.

BTWE - I'm pretty sure the suicide bomber jihadists think they're completely honorable when they blow up their targets.

I'm pretty sure the suicide bomber jihadists think they're completely honorable when they blow up their targets.

You are probably right. And Bush and Cheney authorized torture, against the "code of honor" of the Geneva convention, and believed they were completely honorable in doing so.

Just because someone thinks something, doesn't make it so.

Hey, Dave, you may be interested in this take on the Ft Hood incident. There's a link to another documentary video too, one that presents a very stark perspective.

You might be interested in the link at 5.4 above too, Omega.

I don't agree in the least with martink's statement, but to say that "they" have a "higher moral and ethical standard for war conduct than us" is ridiculous.

I'm curious to hear your reasoning / support for your assertion.

Wow, NA224, you can't see how that wasn't an assertion of the jihadists having higher moral standards than America?

long day...read it a little too quickly :)

The United States Armed Forces Code of Conduct:

Article I: I am an American, fighting in the armed forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

Article II: I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

Article III: If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

Article IV: If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information nor take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

Article V: When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service, number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

Article VI: I will never forget that I am an American, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

At one time, violation of Articles I thru V would be subject to punishment under the appropriate articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, but such was deemed redundant.

Libyans have managed to surprise me pleasantly twice in the last two months. For all that many are saying this will have no effect, I must say that at very least it will keep Libyan fighters out of Al-Qaeda ranks. Serious religious thought in Islam is widely respected. That the source of such thought comes of proven "Soldiers of Allah" lends weight and credibility with other "important" Islamic scholars.

tyler are you the only admin on Newsvine?

How about the ACLU...oh sorry too messy they rather attack innocent American citizens who say prayers before lunch within a 20 mile radius of public school systems

You never know, the ACLU might take that on, I've been surprised at some of the cases they've taken

Hey Pitt Boss where you at? expected to see you on FEDS SEIZE FOUR MOSQUES..

Just as well it is becoming an Eric Albert Marathon

You are correct, they seized them, but they didn't shut them down, now those people pay rent to Uncle Sam and not Iran, these days who can tell the difference ; )